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Red needle vs white needle

Hinky

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White needle has a governer on top speed?
Yes. I think it's 130.

Some here have complained about the backup camera lines not always appearing, and the camera framerate being slow when the lines are on. I think that was a white needle UI problem. My red needle has lines and a smooth framerate.

The switch to white needles and the new UI also came with the inclusion of air ionizers. They charge air molecules, causing pollutants to clump and precipitate onto surfaces so they can't be inhaled. Red needle cars don't have this feature.

Red needle cars need to have their maps updated. White needles store the map on an SD card in the armrest so you can just pop in a new one.

Some red needle cars didn't come with the sound-deadening tires.

Red needle cars that have the wireless charging dock have a version that isn't actually compatible with the Qi standard, making it incompatible with many/most phones. White needle cars with the same package got a compliant one that works with most/all wireless-charge phones.
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The switch to white needles and the new UI also came with the inclusion of air ionizers. They charge air molecules, causing pollutants to clump and precipitate onto surfaces so they can't be inhaled. Red needle cars don't have this feature.

Red needle cars that have the wireless charging dock have a version that isn't actually compatible with the Qi standard, making it incompatible with many/most phones. White needle cars with the same package got a compliant one that works with most/all wireless-charge phones.
Air-ionizer was listed as a 2019 feature. The switch to white needles was in 2018.5, so someone would have to verify that a 2018.5 has the ionizer.

Did the 2018.5 white needle cars get the updated wireless charger? I wasn't sure there was a definitive answer there. I believe 2019 did, but 2018.5 might still have the old hardware.
 

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I can verify that I test drove a new 2018 with white needles and an ionizer and a wireless charger that worked on my phone. The red needle I ended up buying has no ionizer and the wireless charger does not charge my phone.
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I can verify that I test drove a new 2018 with white needles and an ionizer and a wireless charger that worked on my phone. The red needle I ended up buying has no ionizer and the wireless charger does not charge my phone.
I would still caution those looking at cars to verify all of the odd crossover features before making assumptions. There were 3 different USB/Line In options for just red needle cars... that isn't called out anywhere.
 

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I have a 2018.5 GS with white needles and new infotainment. I have the older phone charger and I do not have the ionizer.

There are some lower trim models out there with red needles but the new UI on the 7" infotainment.

 

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I have a 2018.5 GS with white needles and new infotainment. I have the older phone charger and I do not have the ionizer.

There are some lower trim models out there with red needles but the new UI on the 7" infotainment.

Sounds like they screwed the pooch on any logic behind what vehicles got what when.
When we run out of these parts use these. I assume they changed RPO for hardware?
I guess they could just say we can not order parts for your car till we pull the old ones out.
 

Anaduff

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I've been thinking the same thing...wondering if there was any change orders issued or did the new instrument clusters just show-up and when the 'red needle' units were gone they just started installing 'em. Pretty sure both clusters must use the same connections & connectors or else they would have to install a new harness to use them, which would make the change over much more involved.
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I have a 2018. Has white needles with phone charger in console. Doesn’t fit unless you take the phone out of protective sleeve. Guess they forgot about that huh?

No idea about ionizer.
 

Map18TTourX

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where is the ionizer located in a Tourx?
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From a logic standpoint, I'd have to guess it's in the glove box near the cabin air filter.
 

jfgesquire

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From a logic standpoint, I'd have to guess it's in the glove box near the cabin air filter.
I believe the ionizer is built right in to the housing (#1 in the diagram).

The entire housing has a different part number, and in fact the old one is showing as discontinued and if you look up 2019, the dual zone one isn't even listed. Odd. Screenshot_2019-07-25-17-33-52.png
 

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Maybe 5... but says discontinued so may be without ionizer. I can not tell if a elect connector is on part or not.
 
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