Buick LaCrosse Excessive Oil Use

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I have a Buick LaCrosse and it is using more than a quart of oil every 2,000 miles.
It started using 1 quart of oil every 3,000 miles. Which GM says is normal. Then it went to 1 quart every 2,000 miles. We called GM and got a case number. Now it is using 1 ½ Quart in 1,162 miles. We have to pay for it to be diagnosed tomorrow. Has anybody else had or is having this problem?
 
you have not mentioned what year your car is and how many clicks on it


what engine do you have?


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I have a Buick LaCrosse and it is using more than a quart of oil every 2,000 miles.
It started using 1 quart of oil every 3,000 miles. Which GM says is normal. Then it went to 1 quart every 2,000 miles. We called GM and got a case number. Now it is using 1 ½ Quart in 1,162 miles. We have to pay for it to be diagnosed tomorrow. Has anybody else had or is having this problem?
 
It is a 2007 Lacrosse with a 3.8 with 60,000. I have owned 7 GM cars and they never used oil with over 100,000 miles.
 
I had a 2005 LaCrosse CXL that used a little more than 2 quarts every 3,000 miles. I was not a stranger to the 3800 V6 with this being the fourth car I owned so equipped. I bought the car new, did not abuse it and had it serviced religiously about every 3,000 miles. Furthermore, there was never any signs of oil leakage.

My car was serviced exclusively by the selling dealer and they never said anything to me about my car being low on oil when it was changed. How this was brought to my attention came during a gas up at a full service station here in my town. On my way out for a long trip involving interstate driving, I pulled into the station to mainly have my windshield cleaned and the tires checked. When the mechanic checked the oil, he said I was two quarts low and I don't know how long this had been going on as I never checked the oil (my fault but past experience with the 3800 was that they didn't use oil). This had to be after the warranty 3/36,000 had expired.

From that point forward, I checked my oil frequently, about every thousand miles or so and added oil as needed. The consumption continued but surprisingly, didn't increase. I traded this LaCrosse with 58,000 miles on it and I still see it from time to time around the county. I never pursued the issue with the dealer as I knew I would be responsible for repairs and my philosophy is to trade a car off when matters like this occur.

I've read of others with 3800 equipped LaCrosse models that were oil burners. I still think this engine was one of the best ever out of GM. I now have a '13 Verano (325 miles as I type this) and I will definitely be vigilant about checking fluid levels. However, ir the 2.4 Eco Tec engine is as good as the one in my '10 Malibu, I don't think I will have anything to worry about.

Mr. Bill
 
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They had an issue back then with valve seals coming off the head. Would be really surprised if yours took this long to fail though. Maybe with the low miles you drive it could have taken this long.
Not a terrible job if that is the problem.....at least they don't have to tear the engine apart.
 
I have the same problem and to say the least I am not happy about it! 😡 I have a 2011 CXL, v6 with 36,000 miles. I go through a quart of oil about every 2000 miles. I have not even had the car for a year yet, and loved it until I discovered the oil issue. Now I'm not quite sure what to do! The dealer tells me that GM says this is an acceptable amount of oil usage but never in the past have I had a car that used oil in between oil changes. There is no evidence of leakage so I don't know what's really going on with the car.....This should not be happening with a car this new and low miles on it.
 
Knock on plastic wood, mine doesn't use a drop as far as I can tell. I check my cars monthly. My old Saturn always needs some (1/2 a qt at most (but it doesn't get driven much)), the new Buick (2012 v6 w/ 23,000 miles) hasn't ever needed any additional oil yet.

Good luck drader, hope gm will help you find a fix.
 
We took it to the GM dealer today and the computer showed nothing. A waste of forty dollars. I could of told him that. He said there was a bulletin out to change the pvc valve. He also checked the oil and we are at the safety mark and have put only 465 miles on it so this is what you are looking forward to. A gm mechanic once told me to empty the oil out and go for a ride then when the engine blows up fill it up and call a toe truck while it is still under warranty, but I am to honest. I really regret that I didn't. Now I am stuck. I will let you know if the pvc works for us. Anybody know where it is located?
 
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Found this:

bulletin on this for oil consumpution.#2034062 Some customers may comment of excessive oil consumption on the 3800 Series III engines. An engine that has excessive oil consumption uses 0.9L (1 qt) of oil or more within 3,200 km (2,000 mi).
This condition may be caused by the retaining ring on the exhaust valve stem seal not securely holding the seal on the cylinder head guide boss. If this occurs, the exhaust valve stem seal(s) may move off the cylinder head guide boss and no longer provide a sealing function between the exhaust valve stem and the valve guide.this bulletin covers 06-08 lucerne with 3.8 vin code 2 and 4.
 
Doesn't Valvoline and most have some sort of swelling oil OP could try?
 
Found this:

bulletin on this for oil consumpution.#2034062 Some customers may comment of excessive oil consumption on the 3800 Series III engines. An engine that has excessive oil consumption uses 0.9L (1 qt) of oil or more within 3,200 km (2,000 mi).
This condition may be caused by the retaining ring on the exhaust valve stem seal not securely holding the seal on the cylinder head guide boss. If this occurs, the exhaust valve stem seal(s) may move off the cylinder head guide boss and no longer provide a sealing function between the exhaust valve stem and the valve guide.this bulletin covers 06-08 lucerne with 3.8 vin code 2 and 4.


Wouldn't vehicle have blue smoke on first start up after setting all evening?
 
Can anyone out there advise me as to what tests I should ask the dealer to do on my car to figure out why I am having this problem? I am still under full warranty so hopefully will not have to pay out of pocket for a diagnosis? Thanks all.....As I have mentioned before I am a single female and know very little about mechanical issues.
 
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1Q per 2000 is considered OK. You can suggest all you want but since it isn't a warranty problem you'd be expected to pay for anything that is done to make it better.
While I'm glad ours doesn't use any oil I've had vehicles in the past that were as bad (and worse!). It wasn't that long ago that MOST engines went thru oil at about the same rate and people just planned for it. You drive 2000 miles a week it's aggravating, 2000 a month it's bothersome.....any schedule less than that and no big deal in my eyes.

Maybe you can convince the dealer to cut loose with a case of oil for your trouble?
 
You are experiencing several issues combined. The first being when the engine is new, the rings need to seat (wear in) to the cylinder walls for a proper seal. In the old days, the engines came with a "break in" oil that had enough protection for the bearings if driven easy, but allowed enough friction for the initial cross hatch hone to abrade the rings until both resulted with a fine seal between the cylinder wall and piston rings (they may look perfectly round, but are far from it if looked at under a microscope). You then changed oil at say 1000 miles and filled with a good full protection oil.

Now, the consumer does not want to touch the car except drive it and put gas in until a DIC message prompts you to return to the dealer for service. So, most will follow the break in instructions in the owners manual that used to result in a proper ring seat and all was good. So, the premium oils that the engine comes prefilled with (a full syn or syn blend) is far to protective so in that first 4-500 miles if you do not run the car relatively hard, odds are the rings never seat properly and after that 4-500 mile window the cross hatch is no longer abrasive, and a hard glaze has formed on the cylinder walls so you will have excess blow by (combustion pressure entering the crankcase) and on the intake stroke oil is pulled passed the rings and burned. Then you have todays PCV systems (very critical to long engine life) that allow excess oil vapors/mist to be carried into the intake air charge and this in turn gums up the ring lands/grooves with a varnish and carbon buildup which then causes the rings to stick in the grooves and making the seal issue even worse. So it is a compounding problem that starts due to the initial break in period (ask any on here that drove it like they stole it when new and odds are they have little to no oil consumption issues). You can try and reverse the deposit issue in the ring groves by installing a proper oil separating catchcan (not one of the useless ones most are) and the deposits may clear to the point of allowing the rings to work free again reducing oil from that issue, but no guarantee's.

Here is a sample message from a owner that did have success, but it all depends on how bad the engine is already. In a worse case scenario a re-ring and new hone will be needed, or if under warranty GM may replace the engine, but until the consumption is 1 qt per 1000 miles, it is officially considered "normal", which we all know this is not. Let me know if you need more details and any help understanding more.:

Hey Tracy, Just wanted to thank you, and everyone at RevXtreme. I bought a catch can from you, for my 2005 CTS. Well since installing it i'm not consuming any oil anymore. I've had a close eye on the oil level since i have installed it and it hasn't used a drop. I don't know how or what that catch can has done to prevent the oil consumption. (I've read your tech tips article and understand the concept of how a catch can work.) I guess i am just baffeled that it something so simple like that could work.


Anyway just wanted to thank you. I was at my last wits end with this car and was about to put it back on the market, after the dealer replaced two motors under warrenty.

I'll be purchasing another catch can from you in the future. I have a 2000 Camaro SS that is getting a turbo as we speak, as a fun project street car.

But thanks again. It was definetly worth the wait.

Gabe Moulden
 
You are experiencing several issues combined. The first being when the engine is new, the rings need to seat (wear in) to the cylinder walls for a proper seal. In the old days, the engines came with a "break in" oil that had enough protection for the bearings if driven easy, but allowed enough friction for the initial cross hatch hone to abrade the rings until both resulted with a fine seal between the cylinder wall and piston rings (they may look perfectly round, but are far from it if looked at under a microscope). You then changed oil at say 1000 miles and filled with a good full protection oil.

Now, the consumer does not want to touch the car except drive it and put gas in until a DIC message prompts you to return to the dealer for service. So, most will follow the break in instructions in the owners manual that used to result in a proper ring seat and all was good. So, the premium oils that the engine comes prefilled with (a full syn or syn blend) is far to protective so in that first 4-500 miles if you do not run the car relatively hard, odds are the rings never seat properly and after that 4-500 mile window the cross hatch is no longer abrasive, and a hard glaze has formed on the cylinder walls so you will have excess blow by (combustion pressure entering the crankcase) and on the intake stroke oil is pulled passed the rings and burned. Then you have todays PCV systems (very critical to long engine life) that allow excess oil vapors/mist to be carried into the intake air charge and this in turn gums up the ring lands/grooves with a varnish and carbon buildup which then causes the rings to stick in the grooves and making the seal issue even worse. So it is a compounding problem that starts due to the initial break in period (ask any on here that drove it like they stole it when new and odds are they have little to no oil consumption issues). You can try and reverse the deposit issue in the ring groves by installing a proper oil separating catchcan (not one of the useless ones most are) and the deposits may clear to the point of allowing the rings to work free again reducing oil from that issue, but no guarantee's.

Here is a sample message from a owner that did have success, but it all depends on how bad the engine is already. In a worse case scenario a re-ring and new hone will be needed, or if under warranty GM may replace the engine, but until the consumption is 1 qt per 1000 miles, it is officially considered "normal", which we all know this is not. Let me know if you need more details and any help understanding more.:

Hey Tracy, Just wanted to thank you, and everyone at RevXtreme. I bought a catch can from you, for my 2005 CTS. Well since installing it i'm not consuming any oil anymore. I've had a close eye on the oil level since i have installed it and it hasn't used a drop. I don't know how or what that catch can has done to prevent the oil consumption. (I've read your tech tips article and understand the concept of how a catch can work.) I guess i am just baffeled that it something so simple like that could work.


Anyway just wanted to thank you. I was at my last wits end with this car and was about to put it back on the market, after the dealer replaced two motors under warrenty.

I'll be purchasing another catch can from you in the future. I have a 2000 Camaro SS that is getting a turbo as we speak, as a fun project street car.

But thanks again. It was definetly worth the wait.

Gabe Moulden

I've got a 2012 buick lacrosse. The dealer advised a new engine because I'm losing 2qts since my last oil chance at the end of august
Any suggestions
 
Aside from faulty motor components check your PCV system. A stuck open valve will suck the oil up for reburn- you won’t notice. Other car has oil catch can on PCV line, when “used” it isn’t impossible to push a quart through in 1K miles......

Hi performance engines will use oil at an alarming rate due to sloppy ring tolerances which is needed for expansion. Doesn’t apply to Buick’s of coarse lol.
 
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Yes, find another dealer. Without a reason for that oil loss, how did the dealer test to see why the consumption was so high and the cause, it's just not a question that can be answered on a forum.
 
I have the excessive oil use problem as well on my '06 3800. To make it worse, I used full synthetic Mobil One. What I found helped a little was using the high mileage synthetic and using the updated PCV without the pintle. Those changes got me from using a quart every 1500 miles to about 2000k.
 
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