Intermittent Starting

I verified with my multimeter the alternator and starter are all getting at least 12.4V which leads me to believe the cables are fine. Is that right?

Not necessarily, corroded cables may carry the voltage, but not handle the cranking amps. BTW, if you only have 12.4v. the battery is only 75% charged. You may have a bad starter or solenoid, but it is always best to do the freebie checks first. If you find the starting issue is due to the starter, you can either have the existing unit rebuilt, or purchase a new starter, or a rebuilt unit. The only problem I see here is; the starter/solenoid may cause lack of starting, but it has nothing to do with erratic/fluctuating voltage. That problem will still exist with a new starter and that issue will still need to be resolved.

How a Battery Works

The standard automotive battery in today's vehicles is 12 volts. Each battery has six cells with 2.1 volts. A car battery is considered fully charged at 12.6 volts.

When a battery drops voltage, even a small amount, it makes a big difference. For instance, when a battery drops from 12.6 to 12.0 volts, its power drops from 100% to 25%. At 12.4 volts, a car battery is 75% charged. At 12.2 volts, it's 50% charged.*

A car battery is considered charged at 12.4 volts or higher. It is considered discharged when it's at 12.39 volts or less.
 
Glad the volts are reading fine on cables. However, amps (the strength needed to spin the starter) are different than volts (the "level" or "speed" of the electrical signal). Your cables could be fine when testing with a multimeter, but still choking the amps needed by the starter.

That said, I can only remember one Chevy I ever had that had a cable go "bad", and those were severely undersized to begin with.

If your starter is original, you are indeed lucky to have it last for so long. There are many replaceable parts in the starter, including the brushes. Having seen it done, I would not venture to tackle it, primarily because beyond the brushes, you would have no way to test the windings to see if the were bad.

For the starter, rebuilt ones work, but don't last as long as new ones. I bit the bullet and bought a new GM one ($220) for my '98 PA so that it started smoothly and I won't have to think about it again for a long time.

You could replace the battery cables first for less money, but history is on the side of the age of the starter.
 
I see. It seems I need to investigate this voltage issue, I may just try trading the cables out, and if that doesn't work then I will get a new alternator.

Thanks for the great comprehensive replies everyone!
 
Okay so I finally got around to getting my alternator replaced with a re-manufactured unit. Looks great, wasn't too difficult to install. However, my voltmeter still reads high.

On a cold start-up it will usually be around 16-17V, and progressively drop throughout the day down to about 14-15V. It never quite reaches 12-13V range.

It seems as though the temperature of the engine and the voltage are inversely related. So a cooler engine means higher voltage, and a warmer engine means lower voltage.

Any ideas? I have thought about investigating the engine block grounds, but I don't know where they are...

Thanks!
 
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are you going by your gauge when you say 16-17 and 14-15 volts? or by a digital meter directly from the battery? if you are going by your gauge, you are fine. my 93 lesabre reads around 16 on start up and after driving a minute or so, it drops to 13-14. it has always done this and I have never had any issues related to starting or charging.
 
are you going by your gauge when you say 16-17 and 14-15 volts? or by a digital meter directly from the battery? if you are going by your gauge, you are fine. my 93 lesabre reads around 16 on start up and after driving a minute or so, it drops to 13-14. it has always done this and I have never had any issues related to starting or charging.

I am going by the gauge, and perhaps I should check with a multimeter. I don't believe that my voltage actually is 16 to 17V, but I do know that something is wrong with my electrical system because when my gauge is reading 16-17V, my blinkers operate at the proper speed, but when my gauge reads 13-15V, my blinkers are at least twice as slow as they should be. Probably more like three times as slow.

My questions is, what might cause my blinkers to run slower than normal and where are the appropriate grounds located?

Thanks!
 
do you have the heater, radio, or anything else on when you notice this? try using the blinkers with nothing else running. just want to know what happens...also turn the key to the on position with the headlights on. the gauge should read 12.5 volts
 
do you have the heater, radio, or anything else on when you notice this? try using the blinkers with nothing else running. just want to know what happens...also turn the key to the on position with the headlights on. the gauge should read 12.5 volts

I have tried turning off as many electrical things that I can in order to get my voltmeter down, but nothing works.

However I have not tried the headlights with the key in the on position yet. What are the implications if my meter does not read 12.5V when my headlights are on with the key in the on position? I will try it next time I hop in the car.
 
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So with the blinkers running, and nothing else, the needle on my voltmeter gauge bounces, however, this seems to happen quite often.

When I turn my headlights on with the key in the "on-position", the voltage stays at about 10-11V, and does not rise at all compared to with the headlights off and the key in the "on-position".

One interesting thing that happened last night: I was driving to my girl's house, and my rear windshield was frosted over, so I turned the rear defrost on, it worked fine, no problem. However when I press the defrost button when my rear windshield does not actually need to be defrosted, the engine surges a bit, and my rpm's drop, the voltmeter drops and the dash lights dim. This happened when I tried to turn it on, so I immediately turned it off and everything went back to typical operating range. I was afraid it was actually going to stall the engine, I wasn't sure what was happening.

Odd, huh?

Thanks!
 
Check for a broken (or partially broken) wire inside of the insulation which could cause system malfunction but prove "GOOD" in a continuity/voltage check with a system disconnected. These circuits may be intermittent or resistive when loaded, and if possible, should be checked by monitoring for a voltage drop with the system operational (under load).
you may have corrosion inside the alternator or battery wiring. hard to see due to the insulation. At idle, vehicle electrical loads may exceed the low speed current (amperage) output of the generator and when this happens the shortfall comes from the battery. This will result in a drop in the electrical system voltage as the battery delivers the additional electrical current to meet the demand. This is equivalent to the brown outs experienced by homes and businesses when the electrical demand is more than the supply.As the engine/generator speed changes, so will the current (amperage) output of the generator. As a vehicle slows, engine/generator RPM slows and the current (amperage) output of the generator may not be sufficient to supply the loads, the vehicle system voltage will drop and the lights will dim. Dimming of the lights is an indication that current is being pulled from the battery. If the battery is in a low state-of-charge (discharged condition), the driver will notice a more pronounced dimming than a vehicle with a fully charged battery.
When high current loads (blower, rear defogger, headlamps, cooling fan, heated seats, power seats, electric "AIR" pump, or power windows) are operating or cycled "ON", the generator's voltage regulator can delay the rise in output. This effect, usually at lower engine speeds, can take up to ten seconds to ramp up the generator output. This is done to avoid loading the engine severely. To increase current (amperage) output, additional torque is consumed by the generator. The engine computer (ECM/PCM) will ramp up engine/generator speed in small steps so engine speed variations are not noticeable to the driver.
 
I'm betting that you have a ground problem. Check the ground cables from battery to the body, and battery to the engine block.

Is the onboard voltmeter part of your DIC display as it is on my '99, or do you have a separate voltage gage?
 
Notice: There are two ground cables, both shown as #8. One for the block & one for the chassis.

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Oh wow! Excellent, thank you!
 
I located the engine block and chassis grounds, and cleaned all connecting surfaces, but still...no dice.

Thanks for trying guys, I might just have to take it to the shop.
 
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