coolant elbows

Correct. Gm Elbows with orings(aluminum) Or dorman elbows with GM orings (orings, elbows in either material for source) are considered the most time tried and true fix.
I have heard (and read) the Dorman rings should be replaced with alternative O-rings. I chose to "keep" the Dorman rings as I really didn't think they were sub-par in materials. I made sure I used a thin coat of Sly-glide on the rings as this provided a nice lubricated assembly. I also switched the Dex-Cool out for another coolant (Universal) as I'm one of those that don't like the Dex-chemistry at all... Hard to prove, but perhaps that 2EHA eats certain gasket material.
 
Which product did you put into your car since Dexcool is so dangerous?
I'm not saying the Dex-Cool is dangerous. It's "controversial". After talking with many mechanics and reading numerous posts on BITOG, I have come to my own personal conclusions about Dex-Cool and it's chemistry. Using Dex-Cool is actually the recommended coolant for GM in many of their cars.
Asian and German cars don't use it... In fact, it's extremely confusing to go over the dozens of coolant formulations and from what I can tell... Dex-Cool is supposedly responsible for eating away at the gaskets (Upper intake which I have replaced along with the my elbows).

I never understood why GM would install these type of gaskets ALONG with a coolant that EATS THROUGH this OEM gasket materials. This AND using PLASTIC elbows... Anyhow.... I chose PEAK 10X for my new coolant since it's free of the 2EHA (Plasticizer)

Here's a thread to read on BITOG -https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/peak-has-a-new-antifreeze.316253/#post-5230145
 
I have heard (and read) the Dorman rings should be replaced with alternative O-rings. I chose to "keep" the Dorman rings as I really didn't think they were sub-par in materials. I made sure I used a thin coat of Sly-glide on the rings as this provided a nice lubricated assembly. I also switched the Dex-Cool out for another coolant (Universal) as I'm one of those that don't like the Dex-chemistry at all... Hard to prove, but perhaps that 2EHA eats certain gasket material.
I would think your at risk because those o rings are probably not super reliable when NOT touching dexcool, if i had to guess how dorman would choose the material(GM car = dexcool?) i could be wrong. but the o rings seem to hit or miss so you never know. also, silicone may be a harmful thing... those o rings should be lubricated with Coolant, Dexcool, not silicone. its to my knowledge almost a guarantee leak if not failure down the road.
 
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I'm not saying the Dex-Cool is dangerous. It's "controversial". After talking with many mechanics and reading numerous posts on BITOG, I have come to my own personal conclusions about Dex-Cool and it's chemistry. Using Dex-Cool is actually the recommended coolant for GM in many of their cars.
Asian and German cars don't use it... In fact, it's extremely confusing to go over the dozens of coolant formulations and from what I can tell... Dex-Cool is supposedly responsible for eating away at the gaskets (Upper intake which I have replaced along with the my elbows).

I never understood why GM would install these type of gaskets ALONG with a coolant that EATS THROUGH this OEM gasket materials. This AND using PLASTIC elbows... Anyhow.... I chose PEAK 10X for my new coolant since it's free of the 2EHA (Plasticizer)

Here's a thread to read on BITOG -https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/peak-has-a-new-antifreeze.316253/#post-5230145
the story about dexcool is a little more complex but there was a year where dexcool changed formulation and the interval changed too. They say its compatible with eachother but I would honestly never put dex in an OE dex car, i would flush the oe dex(its been a long time) and then put new dex. The original issues were part the gaskets, part dex, part the environment around the coolant. Its not like a "terrible bad gm!" more like "took your time I see" with the fix.

I have an unopened jug of 98 dex and a new jug. I would be curious to know how they differ but thats trade secret.
 
I've sat and read all the knowledgeable sources on Dexcool, mostly lay people and mechanics with high school educations, while others believed the theories from various folks.

Especially amusing was those in the late 90s or early 200x years who swore how they escaped the Dexcool plague by putting in the Prestone Mixes with All Brands antifreeze. The SDS on those showed the same ingredients as Dexcool. LOL.

The variations on Dexcool from some of the other manufacturers using similar ingredients became confusing, especially when recited by some of the folks with an agenda.

Early on in Dexcool two things happened. Ford was using it and found that air trapped in the system by the design of the filler neck on a truck model caused the Dexcool to deteriorate. This was early in the Dexcool introduction. By 1998/99 to my thinking when people started blaming DC for gasket failures and upper intake manifold failures along with Dexcool had been modified for the antioxidation additive they used.

Other deterioration came from vehicles not heated thoroughly so that the coolant all got run very hot in the cycles through the engine. The claim I read was that the natural bacteria present deteriorated the antioxidant GM was using in those vehicles causing early problems before the 5-year, 100K mile lifetime. In engines run for short periods those contaminants didn't get sterilized.

Apparently GM made some minor change to formulas later and extended the total miles the coolant should serve.

Having had a 2005 Cobalt, 2015 Cruze, and 2014 Malibu all with Dexcool, I can say I've not had a single gasket failure in them due to Dexcool. Indeed, I realized my Malibu was creeping up on 8 years and I have started replacing the Dexcool. It tested perfectly good, BTW. Amazing quality.

I believe I understand what BGFM said and I believe you'd be better served keeping Dexcool (or the Prestone Mixes with All Coolant Types, same thing) in the engine and system. I'd have more concern about putting a concoction in the radiator and engine without the ingredients GM and its research partners (Prestone?) developed through the years.

The ingredients in Dexcool have been fully researched, restudied, and improved through the 20+ years. Your opinion may vary, but please don't give me a bunch of $% anecdotal evidence from folks, magazine writers, blog posters, or mechanics, with no background in chemistry and/or physics involved as if it were scientific evidence. I read a lot of SDS to find the materials in the various products. I read a lot of scientifically-based papers on the subject as it was studied through the decades.

I'll say the same for the Dexos specification system GM developed for oils, as well.
 
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Good posts everyone. Yes, confusing for sure. Points made for the safety of using Dex-Cool with the "new" formulations and so forth. It's interesting that some manufactures have dropped Dex-Cool in favor of other formulations. In my own vehicle, I don't keep the coolant past 3-years and do complete flushes. In that regard, the Peak coolant fit the bill as it's readily available and cheap and is a good formulation.

As far as using Sil Glyde on the O-rings... It apparently is safe to use on O-rings (Rubber etc.) I understand "Silicone" can deteriorate rubber, but this isn't true of the Sil Glyde.
 
I understand "Silicone" can deteriorate rubber, but this isn't true of the Sil Glyde.
Never believe everything you read on the internet! Silicone is fine & does not deteriorate rubber, or any other O'Rings. BTW, the O'rings are not RUBBER! They are made from silicone.
 
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For what it's worth I've used Dow Molykote on all O-rings fuel, lubrication and coolant no issues.

The GM O-rings are the correct part no matter what aluminum elbows are used and if feeling the need Permatex High-Temp RTV is a option.
 
I would think your at risk because those o rings are probably not super reliable when NOT touching dexcool, if i had to guess how dorman would choose the material(GM car = dexcool?) i could be wrong. but the o rings seem to hit or miss so you never know. also, silicone may be a harmful thing... those o rings should be lubricated with Coolant, Dexcool, not silicone. its to my knowledge almost a guarantee leak if not failure down the road.
@HotZ28 my bad. I saw your comment. When I mentioned silicone may be a bad thing, it was more to do with products used to lube an o ring for install, which are often petroleum based. I know for a fact the elbow o rings are damaged by using something like high temp grease(for wheel bearings). I more or less don’t know what product he installed them with and said for that.

Cooling system hoses and o rings can be lubricated with silicone. But for the o rings, i would lubricante them with coolant not silicone simply because they are meant to stay not be removed often. Just in case their silicone lube has anything that can breakdown or isn’t thermally stable, I would hate to see a leak from that. When the Silicone o ring to nice aluminum interface having a little dexcool would be safe inherently.

Correct tho for sure.
 
For what it's worth I've used Dow Molykote on all O-rings fuel, lubrication and coolant no issues.

The GM O-rings are the correct part no matter what aluminum elbows are used and if feeling the need Permatex High-Temp RTV is a option.
I think using Dow molykote (111?) isn’t bad because it doubles as a job for a sealant grease like it’s intended for those things. I wouldn’t be worried about using it for that like my prev post laid out
 
Yes Dow Molykote 111, a little pricey but as much that's used on O-rings a tube will be around for years.
 
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Are the o-rings on the gm part ok and just the dorman brand are cheap o-rings or are all the o-rings on any brand aluminum elbow bad?
 
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