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2020 Buick Regal Refresh in China

China is STILL the enemy. As long as they are RED China, I try not to buy.

I liked it better back when China was openly our enemy. 1949 until Nixon opened up to them. We knew how we stood with them. Of course, most Americans don’t remember or don’t want to know about it.
I hear ya but like it or not there are Already lots of parts on the TourX made in China. The windshield, some gizmo behind the steering wheel and the headrests (The Euro ones I bought came in an Opel box with “Made in China“ on it). There have to be more hiding.
 
I tend to lean on the side that most people won't care.
I'm still under 40, so I've lived my entire life with "Made in China" as a common stamp on the vast majority of products. And while some people will go out of their way for American Made, the bulk of consumers have been voting with their wallets when it comes to mass-produced stuff. Hell, an estimated 40% of consumer electronics are made by Foxconn alone, and their biggest factory campus would rank in the top 50 US cities by population. All those iPhone lovers over the past 12 years seem to embrace that "Designed by Apple in California" stamp, despite them all being made in China.

It seems Americans are willing to pay more for US-made when it comes to food & medicines, or other similar items where top quality is imperative - but for most consumable items, including cars, there are far more people who don't know or don't care as long as the price is right.

Cars are and have been for a while, a worldwide industry. I have to furrow my brow a bit when people say we're OK selling "our" cars TO the Chinese, but won't buy one of our own that's made there. China has 4.25x our population, and last year bought 28M vehicles compared to 17M bought in the US - it won't be long 'til they're buying cars at a 2:1 ratio as us. This is a decades old trend, and not going to be reversed quickly, especially not with some hasty, retaliatory tariffs. All that's likely to do is either make me pay far more for a car, or as in the case with the unpopular TourX, end up not being able to buy it at all because it's no longer made/sold here.

I've had enough of a hard time finding a car I actually want, without concerning myself with where it's made. I'll take it into consideration, sure, but it won't make me turn down an otherwise ideal vehicle.
 
I tend to lean on the side that most people won't care.
I'm still under 40, so I've lived my entire life with "Made in China" as a common stamp on the vast majority of products. And while some people will go out of their way for American Made, the bulk of consumers have been voting with their wallets when it comes to mass-produced stuff. Hell, an estimated 40% of consumer electronics are made by Foxconn alone, and their biggest factory campus would rank in the top 50 US cities by population. All those iPhone lovers over the past 12 years seem to embrace that "Designed by Apple in California" stamp, despite them all being made in China.

It seems Americans are willing to pay more for US-made when it comes to food & medicines, or other similar items where top quality is imperative - but for most consumable items, including cars, there are far more people who don't know or don't care as long as the price is right.

Cars are and have been for a while, a worldwide industry. I have to furrow my brow a bit when people say we're OK selling "our" cars TO the Chinese, but won't buy one of our own that's made there. China has 4.25x our population, and last year bought 28M vehicles compared to 17M bought in the US - it won't be long 'til they're buying cars at a 2:1 ratio as us. This is a decades old trend, and not going to be reversed quickly, especially not with some hasty, retaliatory tariffs. All that's likely to do is either make me pay far more for a car, or as in the case with the unpopular TourX, end up not being able to buy it at all because it's no longer made/sold here.

I've had enough of a hard time finding a car I actually want, without concerning myself with where it's made. I'll take it into consideration, sure, but it won't make me turn down an otherwise ideal vehicle.

I hear what you're saying..but I look at a car as a sizable long term investment. My willingness to overlook "quality" vs price when buying a $30-40k car is vastly different than say a cell phone, ipod or a dvd player. I tend to keep a car for 10yrs plus. Another factor is availability. While it may not be possible to get a Regal made somewhere else, there are/will be options for consumers to buy other brand crossovers/SUVs/wagon(maybe) not made in China. That's not always the case with consumer goods-- i don't think you can get an iphone made anywhere but China

I don't think country of manufacture will be the only factor...but I think it could be a factor. All other things being equal..I'd personally prefer a vehicle assembled in the US, Canada, Japan, or Europe before one assembled in China.

I think a car purchase vs. disposable good---people will react differently and origin will be a bigger role due to cost, long term investment vs. shorter term..perceived risk. Just MHO.
 
I think a car purchase vs. disposable good---people will react differently and origin will be a bigger role due to cost, long term investment vs. shorter term..perceived risk. Just MHO.
I don't disagree with your preferences either - I'd certainly prefer and trust something made domestically, or Canada, or Japan, or Europe vs. China or Korea, but I also think it's a different circumstance if the particular plant in China is being run/directed by a US company building a US-designed product with US manufacturing oversight into the final quality of the product (as would be the case with cars) rather than someone simply sending over some blueprints to a Chinese manufacturer and expecting the items to come out per spec.

I'd be more concerned with buying a first-year production run of a given car, as that's when most teething issues happen - and that's regardless of the location of assembly. Goodness knows there have been plenty of crap assembly jobs right here in the US from a variety of manufacturers over the years. Otherwise, I have enough confidence that GM or other established automakers can figure out how to set up a factory to turn out the same vehicle with the same quality in almost any location.

I tend to resist the notion that a vehicle is an investment - yes, it's generally the most expensive purchase people make besides a house, but I think people are better served by grouping it with other consumable items, because that's really what it is. Thankfully, mutli-year warranties are expected and common for buyers here, which gives the consumer some confidence that workmanship isn't shoddy or will be fixed if it is, but otherwise it's an item that gets used up and disposed of sooner or later.
The TourX is actually the first brand new car I've ever bought. I've always bought used vehicles, as they were a huge cost savings ( though in the last couple years, used car prices have gone way up). But the justification, aside from there being precious few decent wagons on the market compared to the markdowns on the TourX, is that I simply decided that at this time in my life I'm willing to pay for the newness, and the smell & depreciation that goes with it!
 
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I tend to resist the notion that a vehicle is an investment
The TourX iustification, aside from there being precious few decent wagons on the market compared to the markdowns on the TourX, is that I simply decided that at this time in my life I'm willing to pay for the newness, and the smell & depreciation that goes with it!
My thinking coincides.
I doubt the China Regal has much to offer over the current TourX/Sportback.
TourX was a gamble I walked into eye's wide open. Overall the nicest (broadly speaking) car I have ever owned. If it does not get wrecked, and is reliable, it should prove a very good purchase decision, as I'm in for the long term.
 
This might just be the last "drive it yourself" auto I buy. If it is, I'm changing my name to THX-1138.
 
China is STILL the enemy. As long as they are RED China, I try not to buy.

I liked it better back when China was openly our enemy. 1949 until Nixon opened up to them. We knew how we stood with them. Of course, most Americans don’t remember or don’t want to know about it.

China will be less of an enemy if America didn't constantly remind itself that China is an enemy and therefore acting hostile to it all the time. Just saying.
 
China can keep it for all I care. I will never buy a new car of the big three, nor any globalist company. It sickens me that GM would just have everything built there if they figured they could get away with it and have their board members pay themselves twice as much as a way to pat themselves on the back at the expense of Americans and Canadians in general, the very people responsible for their success. What sickens me even more is that GM is in cahoots with the Red Chinese government for no reason other than to make themselves more money. The answer is to buy real domestic cars, fit them with domestically manufactured parts only, and paying local mechanics when necessary. It's literally the only way to keep YOUR money in YOUR country these days.
 
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China can keep it for all I care. I will never buy a new car of the big three, nor any globalist company. It sickens me that GM would just have everything built there if they figured they could get away with it and have their board members pay themselves twice as much as a way to pat themselves on the back at the expense of Americans and Canadians in general, the very people responsible for their success. What sickens me even more is that GM is in cahoots with the Red Chinese government for no reason other than to make themselves more money. The answer is to buy real domestic cars, fit them with domestically manufactured parts only, and paying local mechanics when necessary. It's literally the only way to keep YOUR money in YOUR country these days.

No offense but there are no true "domestic" cars left. All have parts from overseas or Canada/Mexico. Conversely, some of the vehicles assembled in America are from a foreign based company...Subarus in Indiana, Hondas in Ohio, BMWs in SC, etc,(The list goes on). So do you consider a BMW assembled in SC a "domestic" car since it is assembled here--but obviously HQ is in Germany? Do you consider a Ford assembled here but the engine and transmission comes from overseas a domestic? The lines got blurred a long time ago.

I don't know of any vehicle that satisfies all three-- assembled in US, HQ of company in US, 100%(or close to 100%) parts content. I would also venture to say all companies are globalist-- all sell vehicles overseas, most sell country specific models for certain markets.

This may help..but C&D considered cars with over 50% US parts to be "american". Also, they consider a Kia or Honda to be American is it is assembled here, even though HQ is overseas.

U.S. Car Brands Aren't What They Used to Be
 
No offense but there are no true "domestic" cars left. All have parts from overseas or Canada/Mexico. Conversely, some of the vehicles assembled in America are from a foreign based company...Subarus in Indiana, Hondas in Ohio, BMWs in SC, etc,(The list goes on). So do you consider a BMW assembled in SC a "domestic" car since it is assembled here--but obviously HQ is in Germany? Do you consider a Ford assembled here but the engine and transmission comes from overseas a domestic? The lines got blurred a long time ago.

I don't know of any vehicle that satisfies all three-- assembled in US, HQ of company in US, 100%(or close to 100%) parts content. I would also venture to say all companies are globalist-- all sell vehicles overseas, most sell country specific models for certain markets.

This may help..but C&D considered cars with over 50% US parts to be "american". Also, they consider a Kia or Honda to be American is it is assembled here, even though HQ is overseas.

U.S. Car Brands Aren't What They Used to Be
Great irony my 2010 Highlander (assembled in Princeton, IN) made my "buy American" father look sideways at me but he has no issue with my German built Buick.
 
No offense but there are no true "domestic" cars left. All have parts from overseas or Canada/Mexico. Conversely, some of the vehicles assembled in America are from a foreign based company...Subarus in Indiana, Hondas in Ohio, BMWs in SC, etc,(The list goes on). So do you consider a BMW assembled in SC a "domestic" car since it is assembled here--but obviously HQ is in Germany? Do you consider a Ford assembled here but the engine and transmission comes from overseas a domestic? The lines got blurred a long time ago.

I don't know of any vehicle that satisfies all three-- assembled in US, HQ of company in US, 100%(or close to 100%) parts content. I would also venture to say all companies are globalist-- all sell vehicles overseas, most sell country specific models for certain markets.

This may help..but C&D considered cars with over 50% US parts to be "american". Also, they consider a Kia or Honda to be American is it is assembled here, even though HQ is overseas.

U.S. Car Brands Aren't What They Used to Be

Yes, there are plenty left. I own 3 of them.
 
OK..whatever you say.

Wasn't the 1993 Regal manufactured in Oshwa, Ontario CANADA?
Hopefully; that would be domestic for me.
 
They must have a 5 year old kid designing the Bollinger vehicles, they are a square box on wheels and totally ugly.
 
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