forged engine build and ZFR turbo install

[kranz38]

Why don't you have Brembos? Did i miss something

 

[wierz11]

You're still alive! Oh god this thread has me all sweaty and stuff.

And yes, where are your Brembos?

 

[kranz38]

You're still alive! Oh god this thread has me all sweaty and stuff.

And yes, where are your Brembos?

well get a response by Christmas, lol jk.... This build got me all hot n bothered

 

[fafnir]

Trifecta custom operating system and HPFP upgrade

well get a response by Christmas, lol jk.... This build got me all hot n bothered

well i missed your Christmas prediction, but hpfpupgrade.com called (on cmas eve) and my shiny new HPFP (high pressure fuel pump) is here; should be good for 600WHP+

i'll keep you guys posted: so far the car is still running strong and the forged engine build is still holding at ~470WHP

Who are you having tune it? Hptuners or Trifecta?

Trifecta all the way. Custom operating systems and aftermarket high pressure fuel pump support is why.

If you'd like to try out a Trifecta tune / custom operating system I'm sure thats something that I can look into.




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[fafnir]

.. didn't know it was you... What is Ur brake set up... Wish i could ask u a few questions about Ur set up, pm me if possible

your inbox is full when i've tried sending you a PM

 

[kranz38]

your inbox is full when i've tried sending you a PM

should be fine i only have 15 messages... 😕

 

[kranz38]

We need some updated motor pics and vids would be nice... very curious how it runs...
BTW, where are you located? overseas?

 

[bennyblaze]

wow this is very involved, but looks awesome!!

 

[Vampiric Rogue]

This has been an awesome and inspiring thread. I would love a break down of mods done so far. Also curious about total price of materials and labor if you don't mind sharing that.

 

[kranz38]

if i had to roughly estimate
custom FMIC - 1k
Turbo - 2k
Trans/Stall- 2k
Forged set up 5k
HPFP, gauges, dyno, install, etc. 3k

I could be wrong, but thats roughly what i have into mine. so we can safely shoot for 13k ish.

 

[fafnir]

update: cylinder head flow numbers

UPDATE: i've got the stock heads flowed and they appear to flow ~210 CFM at max lift of where the ZZP cams top out

the exhaust is even worse at ~196 CFM on a 88mm bore plate

INT:

.100 112
.200 169
.300 196
.400 206
.450 210


EXH:

.100 89
.200 141
.300 172
.400 191
.450 196


no wonder trying to break 500WHP on pump gas is so difficult but this will be sorted soon, i discovered this with the spare head i had from machining the DI injectors pockets bigger to accept physically larger fuel injectors

the question now is if i should port away the sideways fin in the intake port which i'm assuming must be there to induce turbulence?





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[kranz38]

Re: update: cylinder head flow numbers

Is your issue that you are running out of fuel? Still wish you would upload some vids of your car, interested in seeing the difference between ours.

 

[AWDRegal]

How did you make 380 through an auto with a ZFR? Most people barely crack 350 on the cobalt forums. They don't make power! Buy a werkz WR-3! EFR turbochargers are always 2nd rate to a GTX

 

[EnderWiggin]

How did you make 380 through an auto with a ZFR? Most people barely crack 350 on the cobalt forums. They don't make power! Buy a werkz WR-3! EFR turbochargers are always 2nd rate to a GTX

Different transmission than the Cobalt.

 

[kranz38]

How did you make 380 through an auto with a ZFR? Most people barely crack 350 on the cobalt forums. They don't make power! Buy a werkz WR-3! EFR turbochargers are always 2nd rate to a GTX

It's coupled with a forged engine so that has a lot to do with it. The efr is very well suited for 400 on pump and 450 on E... If I had to take an educate guess i would assume he went EFR due to the spool time--- not much of a difference but with auto it may have been an important factor. Another reason the efr can make power for the smaller wheel size is that it can efficiently spin at a significantly higher rpm that most aftermarket turbos due to the titanium aluminide exhaust wheel.
" We have the advantage of direct injection raising hp at the same airflow. E85 also throws those numbers off a decent amount further. "
The WR-3 is making right around the same power as an EFR/ZFR--- they are both great options.... and options at that-- I used to work for precision so i'm familiar with with the wr-3, and they aren't cheap, even if they started using chinese wheels.

 

[BuickTurbo]

It's coupled with a forged engine so that has a lot to do with it. The efr is very well suited for 400 on pump and 450 on E... If I had to take an educate guess i would assume he went EFR due to the spool time--- not much of a difference but with auto it may have been an important factor. Another reason the efr can make power for the smaller wheel size is that it can efficiently spin at a significantly higher rpm that most aftermarket turbos due to the titanium aluminide exhaust wheel.
" We have the advantage of direct injection raising hp at the same airflow. E85 also throws those numbers off a decent amount further. "
The WR-3 is making right around the same power as an EFR/ZFR--- they are both great options.... and options at that-- I used to work for precision so i'm familiar with with the wr-3, and they aren't cheap, even if they started using chinese wheels.

What size EFR is the ZFR turbo? 6258? 6758? I don't think the 6758's will go 450WHP on an automatic

Why did the OP switch turbos? And why does someone need 3 of the same turbos?

The results look good though, is the OP the fastest Regal here? I know kranz38 is not

 

[MayorMcCheese]

Re: Trifecta custom operating system and HPFP upgrade

well i missed your Christmas prediction, but hpfpupgrade.com called (on cmas eve) and my shiny new HPFP (high pressure fuel pump) is here; should be good for 600WHP+

i'll keep you guys posted: so far the car is still running strong and the forged engine build is still holding at ~470WHP




Trifecta all the way. Custom operating systems and aftermarket high pressure fuel pump support is why.

If you'd like to try out a Trifecta tune / custom operating system I'm sure thats something that I can look into.




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Dude I am doing EXACTLY this exact same thing with Trifecta now

you have no idea how many times we have had conversations about you and the parts you ran or the AF40 or clutch plates or HPFP or the EFR .. just everything

Trifecta really is the absolute best aftermarket vendor for the Regal ive been working with them for 3 or 4 months now and its so great having these tuners on speed dial lol they really are a great team of people to operate with

after months of us sorting out everything waiting for parts to be fabricated or shipped or delayed whatever .. June 23rd is the big day , going in for the install getting everything installed do a couple things after and finally creating this beast

if you even see this message shoot me a PM cause id love to ask you questions about you and the collaboration you and trifecta have done .. everything that you test fitted as prototypes or near production ready parts .. are now going on my car

and the detail of this write up is such great info

 

[MayorMcCheese]

Re: OE fuel system concerns and ZFR turbo installed pics

who says i don't have some OS giken going into the car right after i have raybestos clutch packs installed after backcutting the carrier and shoving in a full two more friction plates in there? (auto trans)

some bridges are going to have to be crossed when we get to them, but thats another thread and PM material, as the purpose of this thread was meant to tell everyone that yes, a ZFR fits and has tuning support, RIGHT NOW

http://i45.tinypic.com/amfx1j.jpg

some mods and clearancing is necessary:

on the blue part the heat shielding needs to be cut,

on the green part this air line is just completely different than what came on the stock/OE turbo

and on the orange part, the oil line needs to be modified (lengthened)

the other orange part shows the minimum clearance between the turbo and an AC line, which is about a half inch or so away from the side of the turbo?




yes, its an automatic




the OE (E85) fuel system in the LHU/LDK/etc engines are going to have more capacity if only marginally more than the LNF, of which there are plenty of examples running at ~400whp without either a fifth injector or a ZZP camshaft fuel pump lobe upgrade, so yes, it'll probably be a limiting factor eventually, but not more so than either the auto trans or FWD in this case






if the OE (E85) fuel system fails, then the ZZP camshafts with the larger fuel pump lobes are going in (sitting on a shelf waiting - would like to avoid installing them as it'll affect emissions and idle quality though), and if that fails, then a 5th injector setup is next, and if that altogether fails, then i'm going to machine the cylinder head and weld on a flange and expand the bore of the DI fuel pump to accept a DI pump and lifter out of an LFX engine and if that fails i'll remachine the heads and stick two of them on there, at opposing directions (one will sit off of where the valve cover currently is) and then machine billet stock and gun drill for the DI fuel lines

and if that fails i'll wire in a piggyback fuel solution based off of RPM (window switch most likely) and if that fails i'll swap to standalone with a full set of external port injectors and if that fails then i'll torch the car and claim the insurance money and then buy a V8, pretend none of this stuff ever happened and then get years of therapy to make the nightmares stop




the block still has sleeves, but just really thin sleeves:

http://i47.tinypic.com/15n2brm.jpg

i don't think i've yet come across someone basing their shortblock build on an LHU/LDK block yet (no comparison material available), so that may be part of how the block is different?

the block pictured is the one out of the car




i'll send you a PM or we can go into further detail in another thread - but yes, i have a dyno graph of stock vs tuned

I do have a question , if you can PM me or answer here , you upgraded the clutch packs and friction plates .. what were the part numbers? and what OS giken did you install? ive been on there site but I dont know what you used from there site