Is this a good price for a TourX Preferred?

[mike69440]

Right? It's a unicorn of a vehicle that most people wouldn't look twice at. They want the 'safety' and 'reliability' of a Subaru.

NHTSA needs to crash test the TourX.

 

[NormT]

NHTSA needs to crash test the TourX.

Euro NCAP crash test of Sportback with video.

2017 Opel Insignia Earns Five-Star NCAP Safety Rating: Video

 

[gmejia324]

It is hard to believe that the TourX Essence is not going out the doors of the dealer really fast at under $30K?
Congratulations! We have the same optioned, & color car. Still have not driven mine. waiting till April!

I believe it. The dealer where we bought ours had 5 2018s all hidden away in the furthest reaches of their lot. NOBODY would have ever seen them unless they specifically went there to see look at one. Not very surprised, with 0 advertising and dealers clearly not all that interested in selling them. The majority of American car buyers have no clue what they are buying, they just buy what they are sold .

 

[California TourX]

Hello all,
I am in the process of negotiating with dealer via email on a TourX Preferred.
We live in Northern California.

MSRP window sticker price is $37,375.
Smoked Pearl Metallic
Driver Confidence Package #1
Sight and Sound Package
LPO, Cargo Tray
LPO, Cargo Area Organizer

They are offering it sale price of $27K. Out the door = $30.470. Sales person made it sound like they can go lower.
I'm thinking of asking for another $2,000 off? Is that reasonable?
Appreciate any input. Thank you.

I think that's a very good price. Keep in mind that the only way to get leather is to go with the Essence

 

[California TourX]

I believe it. The dealer where we bought ours had 5 2018s all hidden away in the furthest reaches of their lot. NOBODY would have ever seen them unless they specifically went there to see look at one. Not very surprised, with 0 advertising and dealers clearly not all that interested in selling them. The majority of American car buyers have no clue what they are buying, they just buy what they are sold .

I am totally baffled why despite Buick not marketing the TourX...why the dealers themselves don't promote better.

 

[mike69440]

I am totally baffled why despite Buick not marketing the TourX...why the dealers themselves don't promote better.

Subaru Says the Crosstrek Is too Popular to Get a Turbocharged Version - Motor Trend
Sort of looks like a mini under powered TourX on stilts for a few thousand less. Subaru has problems building enough of them.
Here is the truth.
Subaru quality problems extend to U.S.
WTF, If only Buick could not meet demand?
From this article:
The 2020 Volvo V60 Cross Country Is The Anti-Crossover
Comments section:
heliotropeMichael Ballaban
2/13/19 2:23pm
Buick. TourX. Seriously, why is that not the comparison? Lower weight, higher HP, lovely exterior, good enough interior, and can be had for 25k. Wagonheads, unite!
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• Michael Ballabanheliotrope
  2/13/19 2:24pm
  Because I forgot about the TourX. Dangit.
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• OctaviautoMichael Ballaban
  2/13/19 2:27pm
  Don’t feel bad. GM forgot about it too.
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• TekamulMichael Ballaban
  2/13/19 2:52pm
  They should put that right on Buick’s tombstone
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[mike69440]

Subaru Says the Crosstrek Is too Popular to Get a Turbocharged Version - Motor Trend
Sort of looks like a mini under powered TourX on stilts for a few thousand less. Subaru has problems building enough of them.
Here is the truth.
Subaru quality problems extend to U.S.
WTF, If only Buick could not meet demand?
From this article:
The 2020 Volvo V60 Cross Country Is The Anti-Crossover
Comments section:
heliotropeMichael Ballaban
2/13/19 2:23pm
Buick. TourX. Seriously, why is that not the comparison? Lower weight, higher HP, lovely exterior, good enough interior, and can be had for 25k. Wagonheads, unite!
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• Michael Ballabanheliotrope
  2/13/19 2:24pm
  Because I forgot about the TourX. Dangit.
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• OctaviautoMichael Ballaban
  2/13/19 2:27pm
  Don’t feel bad. GM forgot about it too.
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  Reply1 replies
  
  
  
  
• TekamulMichael Ballaban
  2/13/19 2:52pm
  They should put that right on Buick’s tombstone
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  Reply

I watched some Opel Insignia Country & Sport tour Reviews. Buick sure left a lot of stuff on the table that we don't get the Insignia has even on lower trim models.
How & why to save The TourX

Why.

• PSA/Opel Division has an up and running fairly modern manufacturing & assembly facility.
  Opel Plant Responsible For Buick Regal Production In For Cuts
• Most all the Engineering is completed.
• Logistics & supply chain are established.
• Sold in several different markets.
• Customers have a choice. Not a lot of competition in price value segment.

How.
Go all in. we all know too many at GM are a bunch of pussies.

• Drop Buick's SV1 Trim
• Preferred becomes Chevrolet Biscayne MSRP $27,900
• Drop Buick's Preferred Trim
• Essene Trim becomes Chevrolet Nomad MSRP $32,900
• Sub trim Nomad S/S or Classic MSRP $34,900
• Driver Convenience Package 1 & 2 available extra cost on Chevy.
• Buick Keeps TourX Essence MSRP $36,900, comes standard with Driver Convenience Package 1 & 2 available extra cost on Chevy.
• Buicks Adds GS Version MSRP $39,900 SS & GS loses the “I’m really a SUV” Cladding. Replace with some very tasteful skirts & ground effects
• Buicks Adds Avenir Trim MSRP $43,900
• Do not discount and cheapen the brand more than Toyota or Honda would, for example.
• Advertise, Make ads fun, put fear of God in your ad agency, or axe the overpaid clowns.
• 9 speed Auto or sport mode that works. Nothing weird or fake.
• 270 HP 2.0 L
• 325 HP 3.6L V6
• New not boring paint colors
• Minimum 1500 Lb. Tow rating for utility trailers and such.
• Top trim Avenir gets HUD, Heated and cooled seats, top end stuff all around.
• This stuff optional stuff on GS.
• Overall Sporty up the ride just a notch, Offer 2 Tire Options
• Fix the minor stuff.

Finally, consider what Subaru and Toyota did with their Safety Suite, Eye Sight etc.
GM should consider adding to every model, ((Raise MSRP to cover most of it), or at least make the safety nannies’ an affordable option on lower trims.

These features are a compelling reason to chose one car over another.

PS. I have more, but GM would have pay my consulting fee.
If the above fly's, and the TourX becomes a seller, the next move would be a plug in hybrid.

 

[NormT]

You forgot the Cadillac Country Tourer Vsport withi Cruise self driving tech and 3.0/3.6TT with 450 hp/500 trq.

 

[mike69440]

You forgot the Cadillac Country Tourer Vsport withi Cruise self driving tech and 3.0/3.6TT with 450 hp/500 trq.

That is dream stuff. A nice dream, but what I mentioned above would not require much change in line tooling and production methods, never mind engineering and platform changes to accommodate a new motor, and stouter drive train for a dream Cadillac wagon.
Everything I mentioned in the previous post is produced currently in one version or another. It is just specifying the options and configurations.
There is not much hope for GM as the mentality is to take a good car platform and cheap it out to the max. with rental car bits and pieces, even when better stuff is readily available. The $400 leather seat covers I got for my wife's Sienna from CARiD.com - Auto Parts & Accessories | Car, Truck, SUV, Jeep is better than the pleathery "leather in the TourX. If you have a TourX Preferred go to Security Check
Security Check
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I appears the $400 real leather seat covers for the Tour X are not available?
Volvo, Audi my butt, and GM wonders? Volvo, & Audi interiors are in a different class. The best of Opel comes close, but not the way GM specs to PSA to build our TourX. It seems GM would rather have MSRP's sky high and knock $10,-$12k off on the out the door price.
Has anyone looked how American manufactures are discounting Pick-up trucks? My TourX was purchased $14K, off MSRP, same goes for my Stepson's 2018 F-150.

 

[ntorch]

One major issue with the above......the Regal TourX/Regal GS are now licensed vehicles through PSA. I think this will limit GM’s further marketing of this car in the US as well as the current GM SUV mania.

 

[mike69440]

One major issue with the above......the Regal TourX/Regal GS are now licensed vehicles through PSA. I think this will limit GM’s further marketing of this car in the US as well as the current GM SUV mania.

Whatever the original Agreement was between GM and PSA, no doubt PSA does not have GM's interest at heart. Maybe the relationship could be improved if certain PSA vehicles could be marketed in USA through GM. Also Mary ought to think hard about Rivian. Bezo did.

 

[Pacer69]

How sad that we are having a convo on saving the TourX. It is likely moot as it appears GM is killing off most if not all of Buick cars...but hey! It's fun to concept what could work, right?

I found your post thoughtful. The "Why" is nicely said. The "How" ...I wonder if rebadging across Chevy in this case is perhaps something to consider down the road, but for branding and differentiation purposes now, I'd maybe just leave it at Buick. But to your point [at least I think your point included this] ...maybe Chevy's marketing dollars could jumpstart both car and category. It would be great see Ford, Mazda, Hyundai, etc. bringing their Euro wagons stateside because GM opened up the market again with TourX, Nomad, etc.

I'm fine with Chevy getting the lower-spec model for $30k. Drop it from Buick. Keep the mid-level at Buick, but Essence would have packages 1,2 plus S&S all standard at more of a value price, say $36-37k. Make the roof the only option as some of us don't like less headspace / just don't need a roof. Keep Buick in the whitespace of very attainable near-lux while severely undercutting pricier near-lux peers like Audi/Volvo.

YES. Would be cool to have a GS / GSi (hotrod) option with a V6, the GS seats and adaptive suspension with magnetorheological standard. Along with other cool stuff the Opels get that we don't. Like the Avenir thought too for super-plush types. I'm great with Essence, though.

Regarding Buick's ad agency...and I'd caution anyone this...don't be too quick to blame or namecall them. As a nearly 30-year veteran of the biz, I can tell you that great ad campaign ideas come from very hard-working ad agency teams 99.9% of the time. There is that rare instance when a client will have (or more likely, contribute to) a viable, cool campaign concept idea that actually has legs. Most of the time, though, great work happens via sincere partnership with a client wise and courageous enough to do their job in guiding and greenlighting good, if not great work.

Most agency people just want to do awesome work that as one of my colleagues put it, is..."Work you want to put up on the fridge." We're creative people who work commercially because not everyone is a fine artist or bestselling author, and conversely, some of us are just damn good at creating and selling work that a) gets past client filters and the crippling maze of internal politics in both agency and client, and b) solves a problem for the client and in some cases becomes part of the fabric of a generation.

Last year I worked on a major domestic airline for a good part of the year as a freelancer — which I've been doing for 26 years this month. IMO, the client did not seem interested in even viewing much of the creative we presented which was very good work btw. Hard to fathom, but I am sadly (for all concerned, especially their brand) not kidding. Sometimes that fear of God needs to be shared on the client side as well. 😉

I watched some Opel Insignia Country & Sport tour Reviews. Buick sure left a lot of stuff on the table that we don't get the Insignia has even on lower trim models.
How & why to save The TourX

Why.

• PSA/Opel Division has an up and running fairly modern manufacturing & assembly facility.
  Opel Plant Responsible For Buick Regal Production In For Cuts
• Most all the Engineering is completed.
• Logistics & supply chain are established.
• Sold in several different markets.
• Customers have a choice. Not a lot of competition in price value segment.

How.
Go all in. we all know too many at GM are a bunch of pussies.

• Drop Buick's SV1 Trim
• Preferred becomes Chevrolet Biscayne MSRP $27,900
• Drop Buick's Preferred Trim
• Essene Trim becomes Chevrolet Nomad MSRP $32,900
• Sub trim Nomad S/S or Classic MSRP $34,900
• Driver Convenience Package 1 & 2 available extra cost on Chevy.
• Buick Keeps TourX Essence MSRP $36,900, comes standard with Driver Convenience Package 1 & 2 available extra cost on Chevy.
• Buicks Adds GS Version MSRP $39,900 SS & GS loses the “I’m really a SUV” Cladding. Replace with some very tasteful skirts & ground effects
• Buicks Adds Avenir Trim MSRP $43,900
• Do not discount and cheapen the brand more than Toyota or Honda would, for example.
• Advertise, Make ads fun, put fear of God in your ad agency, or axe the overpaid clowns.
• 9 speed Auto or sport mode that works. Nothing weird or fake.
• 270 HP 2.0 L
• 325 HP 3.6L V6
• New not boring paint colors
• Minimum 1500 Lb. Tow rating for utility trailers and such.
• Top trim Avenir gets HUD, Heated and cooled seats, top end stuff all around.
• This stuff optional stuff on GS.
• Overall Sporty up the ride just a notch, Offer 2 Tire Options
• Fix the minor stuff.

Finally, consider what Subaru and Toyota did with their Safety Suite, Eye Sight etc.
GM should consider adding to every model, ((Raise MSRP to cover most of it), or at least make the safety nannies’ an affordable option on lower trims.

These features are a compelling reason to chose one car over another.

PS. I have more, but GM would have pay my consulting fee.
If the above fly's, and the TourX becomes a seller, the next move would be a plug in hybrid.

 

[Rb0891]

How sad that we are having a convo on saving the TourX. It is likely moot as it appears GM is killing off most if not all of Buick cars...but hey! It's fun to concept what could work, right?

I found your post thoughtful. The "Why" is nicely said. The "How" ...I wonder if rebadging across Chevy in this case is perhaps something to consider down the road, but for branding and differentiation purposes now, I'd maybe just leave it at Buick. But to your point [at least I think your point included this] ...maybe Chevy's marketing dollars could jumpstart both car and category. It would be great see Ford, Mazda, Hyundai, etc. bringing their Euro wagons stateside because GM opened up the market again with TourX, Nomad, etc.

I'm fine with Chevy getting the lower-spec model for $30k. Drop it from Buick. Keep the mid-level at Buick, but Essence would have packages 1,2 plus S&S all standard at more of a value price, say $36-37k. Make the roof the only option as some of us don't like less headspace / just don't need a roof. Keep Buick in the whitespace of very attainable near-lux while severely undercutting pricier near-lux peers like Audi/Volvo.

YES. Would be cool to have a GS / GSi (hotrod) option with a V6, the GS seats and adaptive suspension with magnetorheological standard. Along with other cool stuff the Opels get that we don't. Like the Avenir thought too for super-plush types. I'm great with Essence, though.

Regarding Buick's ad agency...and I'd caution anyone this...don't be too quick to blame or namecall them. As a nearly 30-year veteran of the biz, I can tell you that great ad campaign ideas come from very hard-working ad agency teams 99.9% of the time. There is that rare instance when a client will have (or more likely, contribute to) a viable, cool campaign concept idea that actually has legs. Most of the time, though, great work happens via sincere partnership with a client wise and courageous enough to do their job in guiding and greenlighting good, if not great work.

Most agency people just want to do awesome work that as one of my colleagues put it, is..."Work you want to put up on the fridge." We're creative people who work commercially because not everyone is a fine artist or bestselling author, and conversely, some of us are just damn good at creating and selling work that a) gets past client filters and the crippling maze of internal politics in both agency and client, and b) solves a problem for the client and in some cases becomes part of the fabric of a generation.

Last year I worked on a major domestic airline for a good part of the year as a freelancer — which I've been doing for 26 years this month. IMO, the client did not seem interested in even viewing much of the creative we presented which was very good work btw. Hard to fathom, but I am sadly (for all concerned, especially their brand) not kidding. Sometimes that fear of God needs to be shared on the client side as well. 😉

It seems to me they tried to straddle the line between the outback and the euro wagon and very few people reside there.

Me personally, would have paid slightly less than msrp if they had just tightened the transmission a bit, added the paddle shifters, truly made the fender flares removable and added an opel wheel upgrade.

I guess what do I know. I still dont have one and most dealers act like I am crazy asking for 10k off a fully loaded essence...

 

[NormT]

Ji6st go on autotrader or cars dot com and find a dealer that will ship you one with +$10,000 off MSRP. I have 3-5 Buick dealerships within 10 miles of us but had to drive over an hour out of town for a deal.

 

[mike69440]

Ji6st go on autotrader or cars dot com and find a dealer that will ship you one with +$10,000 off MSRP. I have 3-5 Buick dealerships within 10 miles of us but had to drive over an hour out of town for a deal.

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[Pacer69]

You could also take a cheap flight and road trip home. I did this for my S2000, flew to Chicago, drove it home. Ditto for my old '76 Buick Estate Wagon (private seller, not too many of those still out there!) — down in Chattanooga, TN.

 

[NormT]

You could also take a cheap flight and road trip home. I did this for my S2000, flew to Chicago, drove it home. Ditto for my old '76 Buick Estate Wagon (private seller, not too many of those still out there!) — down in Chattanooga, TN.

Or ask for a price shipped to your door. Most dealerships will ship today for a fee.

 

[Rb0891]

Ji6st go on autotrader or cars dot com and find a dealer that will ship you one with +$10,000 off MSRP. I have 3-5 Buick dealerships within 10 miles of us but had to drive over an hour out of town for a deal.

I think I may have a guy at $11k off. I am probably too picky on color and options. Just figured most dealers would be ready to deal. I had two drac units that I couldn't even get them to $10K. Local guys was stuck on $6500 off even though he admitted I was the only one who had driven one in the 6 months they had it...

 

[Pacer69]

Too picky? Nah. I know it is nerve wracking. Get what you want, within reason (whatever you decide that is for you). Nobody wants to buy a car and have regrets. For me, that was S&S, + 1 & 2. I picked 3-4 colors I knew I could be fine with and that made it easier.

If you're seeing a LOT of inventory in the specs you can live with, I think the more time passes, the more likely you'll be to get what you want. If you're not seeing that inventory....it becomes a waiting game, or else just pull the trigger. Either way, I'd just make the offer you want, tell them "I'm ready to buy and this is what will work for me for this car; I'm also looking at Subarus, Nissans (and whatever else) and I may end up putting an offer down on another one...."

Put it into an email and make sure the sales manager gets it. End of the month comes around, I bet they'll be more likely to meet it. An Essence nicely optioned at $34k — I think this is still an amazing deal.

I think I may have a guy at $11k off. I am probably too picky on color and options. Just figured most dealers would be ready to deal. I had two drac units that I couldn't even get them to $10K. Local guys was stuck on $6500 off even though he admitted I was the only one who had driven one in the 6 months they had it...

 

[Lugen]

Hello all,
I am in the process of negotiating with dealer via email on a TourX Preferred.
We live in Northern California.

MSRP window sticker price is $37,375.
Smoked Pearl Metallic
Driver Confidence Package #1
Sight and Sound Package
LPO, Cargo Tray
LPO, Cargo Area Organizer

They are offering it sale price of $27K. Out the door = $30.470. Sales person made it sound like they can go lower.
I'm thinking of asking for another $2,000 off? Is that reasonable?
Appreciate any input. Thank you.

I bought my 2018 Essence. The day after X-Mas 2018. MSRP was $39,500. I got it out the door with tax, title and plates for $30,700.