Tune.... IPF, Trifecta, HP Tuners

I'm pretty sure it needs tuning. Something about the ECM in this car always try to adjust back to stock levels. With the down-pipe they should be able to run more timing so I would think it needs a tune.

The 'stock' ECM tries to adjust back, but you're already tuned in this scenario, so that doesn't happen anymore. My understanding of reduced exhaust restriction is that it will allow you to build boost faster, and hold onto boost higher in the RPM range. The normal tune is already fine with fast-building boost and attemps to hold boost until red-line. Again, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I asked.
 
Back on IPF after spending the last few days on trifecta. IPF seems to be much more predictable and smoother. For now this is the tune i prefer.
 
I'm still impressed by the IPF tune. I'm seriously considering their down pipe and intercooler. I have the tune for it so I just might do it. Would be nice if I could hang with a CLA AMG. 😉
 
I'm still impressed by the IPF tune. I'm seriously considering their down pipe and intercooler. I have the tune for it so I just might do it. Would be nice if I could hang with a CLA AMG. 😉

That would certainly be impressive, considering that car has something in the neighborhood of 350+ HP out of the box.

Compounded by the Buick's tragically terrible gearbox, I'd be impressed if it was close at all.

But it's certainly a worthy target to shoot for!
 
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Operative word is "Hang". But 350 shouldn't be to had to achieve. Isn't Kranz GS pushing more than that?
 
Agreed.

But having the same power won't mean you'll have the same performance. There's also power to weight and that pesky gearbox to consider.

I'd watch that race, for sure.
 
I did my first road trip with the Regal (2012 GS, MT, 16,000 miles) since putting in the Trifecta tune (normal tune, not the 93-octane one).

No other modifications to my car, running Shell 93 octane fuel.

The trip was 200 miles each way between the Southwest suburbs of Chicago to Marshall, MI. About 44 degrees F ambient temp, not much wind, cruise set at 78mph pretty much the whole way.

I manged a pretty respectable 31.6 mpg (per the DIC and confirmed at my fill-up).

I know my mileage has been getting slowly, but noticably, better since I first got the car with 6000 miles on it, but it also seems like I got a bit of a bump from the Trifecta tune. I was having trouble matching the 28 highway mpg rating at lower speeds not too long ago.
 
Operative word is "Hang". But 350 shouldn't be to had to achieve. Isn't Kranz GS pushing more than that?

Cla45 runs 12.6 out of the box no verano or gs is touching that and with a tune there in the 11s
 
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Cla45 runs 12.6 out of the box no verano or gs is touching that and with a tune there in the 11s

Mostly because they are AWD and have a super fast DCT. A big turbo AWD GS could probably keep up if it was also making 400whp
 
Cla45 runs 12.6 out of the box no verano or gs is touching that and with a tune there in the 11s

You're thinking of drag racing or light to light. On the highway between traffic I can "hang" with less power. Meaning the car will have to slow for traffic while pulling away in open road. I doubt it would get away from me if I had more HP and less drivetrain loss from FWD. But yeah, I know drag racing a CLA AMG would be useless. I would like to see what a AWD GS with work would do.
 
Why would you run in traffic
From a roll we'd still get stomped car traps at like 111
 
The cla45 is underrated by Mercedes
 
Mostly because they are AWD and have a super fast DCT. A big turbo AWD GS could probably keep up if it was also making 400whp

The notion that awd would make it better is a pipe dream.

Awd adds weight, complexity, and makes for bufe drivetrain losses.

You get less weight and more power to the ground with 2WD (even if it's just FWD).

You might get a small advantage on hookup at the light, but once you're rolling AWD is more of a problem than a benefit.

Now if we're talking inclement weather and slippery conditions..... Well, more HP matters less and awd matters more. But I don't think anyone is rallying a GS.
 
Andy - I will have my car back tomorrow with the ZFR turbo it running stock , I want you guys to tune the car for me I emailed you too
 
The notion that awd would make it better is a pipe dream.

Awd adds weight, complexity, and makes for bufe drivetrain losses.

You get less weight and more power to the ground with 2WD (even if it's just FWD).

You might get a small advantage on hookup at the light, but once you're rolling AWD is more of a problem than a benefit.

Now if we're talking inclement weather and slippery conditions..... Well, more HP matters less and awd matters more. But I don't think anyone is rallying a GS.

A small advantage? I see you're strictly going on paper numbers and not real world drag racing. Kranz and I have taken the car to the track. We know the FWD limitations. Any more than 2500 RPM on launch spins the front wheels. After that you have to feather the peddle for about 1/8th of the track or risk wheel spin. By then the AWD launching closer to max RPM and HP might have 2-4 car lengths on the FWD. Trying to make that up on drive train loss or weight is the real pipe dream. Especially when the AWD does 0-60 in 6.2 seconds with less HP than my 2012 GS. There is supposed to be loss but in real world tests I can't find much. With the wheel spin of 400 HP how can it even be close?
 
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Who has had a 14' AWD GS tuned? Any transmission issues? I used to drive a TBSS and the trans was made out of typical GM cheese. Will these new AWD transmissions hold the extra HP with no reliability issues?
 
There are made by Haldex. The same company that makes the AWD system of the Bugatti Veyron. In Germany they have 325 HP V6s connected to it. Should hold up fine but like everything else in performance, you take a chance.
 
We've tuned a couple awd gs owners. I don't think there on the forum
 
A small advantage? I see you're strictly going on paper numbers and not real world drag racing. Kranz and I have taken the car to the track. We know the FWD limitations. Any more than 2500 RPM on launch spins the front wheels. After that you have to feather the peddle for about 1/8th of the track or risk wheel spin. By then the AWD launching closer to max RPM and HP might have 2-4 car lengths on the FWD. Trying to make that up on drive train loss or weight is the real pipe dream. Especially when the AWD does 0-60 in 6.2 seconds with less HP than my 2012 GS. There is supposed to be loss but in real world tests I can't find much. With the wheel spin of 400 HP how can it even be close?
So you're attributing a 2-4 car length advantage to AWD and less horsepower?

Change your driving style maybe? If the car isn't hooking up, you've obviously got too much throttle input.


Regarding traction, your limitation is tires and driver ability. In the case of the 12 GS, there's also the issue of that gearbox, but that's a whole other subject... since comparing an auto vs a manual isn't really comparing same for same.

The AWD GS also has shorter gearing, which would allow the car to get up to speed quicker with less HP than the previous model. And, by the way, we're only talking about an 11hp difference. Not exactly a deciding blow in a 4000lb car. The REAL story is the fact that the new car also makes its peak torque at 1700RPM vs the older car making it at 2400RPM. So yes, you CAN make that up with things like gearing and drive train set up.

400hp through the front wheels is easily manageable, if you know what you're doing. The import car scene proves that. Although I must say I have no idea where the 400HP comment comes from, as I don't understand the context of it.
If you've got 400hp in your car and that's what you're hinting at, then you'll need to do something about those tires, pick up a limited slip, and possibly get to work on a 2-step so you can get more effective launches. And then practice, practice, practice.

I can't imagine somebody would go through the trouble of getting to a figure like 400HP and not take the trouble to address a traction issue, and then simply assume the only solution is less HP and AWD.

Using that logic, the trick to getting the older car better track times is to dial out some of the HP so that you get traction and don't lose time spinning wheels. The easiest way to do that is with the gas pedal.

If awd was the end all solution for traction even in drag racing, that's all you'd see at the strip. And coming from more than a few decent performance AWD cars (DSM with big turbo, VR4 3KGT with basic mods, B5 S4 with K04 swap, big turbo bugeye, Forester with STI swap), after first and part of second in most cases, you always want to be in the car with 2WD putting more power to the ground.

The reality here is that we're talking apples to oranges.

I suppose we can agree to disagree on what's ultimately better.

I'd rather drive the thing than just stomp on the gas and wish I had less power so my tires don't spin.
 
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